Royal Weddings of the XVII and XVIII Century in a world where the Habsburgs won the Thirty Years' War

This is part of a larger timeline I called "Habsburg Concord" which explores a world where the Habsburgs won the 30 Years' War, in this thread I want to explore how the Habsburg victory in the war would influence royal marriages in the 17th century and XVIII
PoD takes place in November 1630, however there have been some changes since the 1570s, the current idea is that in November 1630, during the day of the dupes, Cardinal Richelieu is deposed from his position of power and replaced by a prime minister. less able minister, under which the Huguenots and the French Catholic League rise again, and the collapse of the Franco-Protestant Alliance, which gave the Habsburgs and the Catholic League the opportunity to crush the Protestant League and the Dutch Republic.
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How did a Kingdom of Brazil evolve that became independent in 1683?
 
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Major Timeline Changes (1630-1748)
PoD takes place in November 1630, however there have been some changes since the 1570s

November 1630: Cardinal Richelieu is dismissed by King Louis XIII, his resignation leads to a new religious war in France, allowing the Huguenots and the French Catholic League to rise again and leading to the collapse of the Franco-Protestant Alliance.

November 1636: The Dutch Republic falls to the forces of the Catholic League, several refugees flee to England and North America

March 1637: the Dutch Occupation of Pernanburco ends

December 1637: The Shimabara Rebellion begins, unlike OTL southern Japan was much more influenced by Portuguese and Spanish traders, thanks to that the island of Kyusho is much more Christian than in OTL, from the end of the 1620s Christians begin to infiltrate the Japanese army having much more military power when the rebellion starts.

July 1638: The Twenty Years' War ends with the Peace of Prague and the victory of the Catholic League, among the terms of the treaty are:
  • The division of the Bradenburg-Prussian electorate between the Holy Roman Empire and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
  • The monarchy of the Holy Roman Empire being a hereditary monarchy to further centralize power in the Habsburgs and avoid further wars of succession.
  • The Netherlands being reincorporated into the empire in a unique situation, a junior branch of the Habsburgs was sent to rule the Council of Flanders formerly ruled by Spain, merging the duchies of Burgundy, Lorraine, Flanders, Brabant and Holland as the Kingdom of Burgundy within the Holy Roman Empire, in an attempt to make Holland more loyal, having much more autonomy within the new kingdom and converting them back to Catholicism.

September 1638: the last Tokugawa Daymo surrenders to Christian rebels, a new government is established in Kyoto with the leader of the rebellion, Amakusa Shiro being proclaimed Emperor and Kagae Nobuie as new Shogun.

1638: After the end of the Twenty Years' War a mass exodus of French Huguenots, Dutch Protestants and German Calvinists to North America.

1639: Calvinists initially settled in French Acadia, however after hostilities by Catholics they fled to the Great Lakes (OTL west of Ohio) establishing the Calvinist State

1640s: Several Dutch Protestants move west and settle in the Great Lakes region, forming Meer Republiek (Ontario Peninsula), Noordmmer Republiek (Michigan Upper Peninsula), Michiganer Republiek (OTL Minnesota) and Missouri Republiek (Missouri).

March 1640: Several Dutch Protestants flee to the New Netherlands colony, England takes advantage of the power vacuum to take control of the colony

September 1640: The New government of Japan begins the Japanese Inquisition and converts most of Japan's population to Catholicism

1655: The Great Northern War begins between Sweden, Russia and Denmark-Norway

1660: The Great Northern War ends, Sweden loses land to Denmark-Norway and Russia and maintains a strong desire for revenge

May 1662: After conflicts between Emperor Shiro and Shogun Kagae, a religious civil war begins between extremist Christians (Kagae) and moderate Christians (Shiro)

October 1662: Princess Maria Teresa of Spain marries a Portuguese noble in an attempt to improve relations with Portugal

November 1662: Moderate Christians win the Japanese Civil War and the position of Shogun is abolished with the Emperor Shiro passing to concentrate the powers

December 1663: The War of Acclamation begins in Portugal

1668: Japanese colonization of Taiwan begins

July 1681: The Bragança family flees to Brazil

January 1683: Princess Maria Theresa of Spain gives birth to Prince Carlos Filipe of Habsburg

January 1683: War of Acclamation ends with Spanish victory, the Braganças retain control of Brazil

May 1683: King Teodosio I is crowned King of the Kingdom of Brazil

September 1683: The Great Turkish War of 1683-1699 begins would be very similar to the OTL in the eastern theater, however, with the exception of France, besieged by the Habsburgs on all sides, deciding to intervene in an attempt to cripple Europe's ruling house, The France would lose the next war and was forced to hand over some land to Flanders and the Duchy of Savoy, who allied with the Habsburgs but managed to divert Holy League troops away from the main theater, prompting the Ottomans to hold on to Transylvania in peace.

February 1685: After his accession, James II begins a much more aggressive pro-Catholic campaign than in the OTL, with most Protestants converting or fleeing to the Americas

1685: Spain prohibits African slave factories from trading with Brazil, this generates an economic crisis in Brazil, effectively ending the Brazilian slave trade

1687: The Unification of Japan begins, the old feudal system of the Daymos is gradually replaced by a centralized government under the figure of the Emperor in Tokyo

1688: A Protestant revolt begins in England, led by Princesses Mary and Anne, and several Protestant nobles in an attempt to overthrow James II

1689: Without international support, the Protestant uprising in England fails, Princesses Anne and Mary flee to Denmark while James II takes advantage of the situation to destroy the powers of parliament, several refugees flee to the American colonies where a general revolt begins, this begins to Columbia War of Independence

August 1689: Pope Innocent XI dies, in the 1689 Papal Conclave Paluzzo Paluzzi Altieri degli Albertoni is elected as Pope Urban IX

December 1689: King Leopold I Wilhelm of Burgundy dies aged 75, he is succeeded by his son (name not yet defined)

September 1690: Columbia's Declaration of Independence is signed in New York

1692: King James II reunites the Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland into a new kingdom called the "United Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland"

1697: Pedro I of Russia travels to Spain and Austria during the "Grand Embassy", thanks to which Russia ends up becoming an ally of the Habsburgs in the coming years

June 1698: Pope Urban IX dies, at the 1698 Papal Conclave Galeazzo Marescotti is elected as Pope Clement XI

1699: The Great Turkish War of 1683-1699 ends with Habsburg Victory

August 1700: After a decade of fighting the Columbia War of Independence comes to an end after the expulsion of the last English troops, the Confederation of Columbia is a Confederal Republic controlled by English Protestants and Dutch refugees from Europe, ruled by the Congress of New York , formed by former members of the English parliament who fled after the failed Protestant revolt of 1688-1689

November 1700: Prince Carlos Filipe of Habsburg, son of Princess Maria Teresa of Spain succeeds King Carlos II of Spain, avoiding a disastrous war of succession, he adopts the name Carlos III of Spain

September 1701: Dies King James II and VII of the United Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland (UKOEEI), they are succeeded by their son James III and VIII

October 1701: Emperor Amakusa Shiro dies at age 80, after 63 years of reign he is succeeded by his son Amakusa Ujitaka

November 1703: Teodosio I of Brazil dies at the age of 69, he is succeeded by his eldest son who takes the name João V

1705: The period of unification of Japan comes to an end, Japan completely replaces the old system of Feudal Daymos by a centralized government in the figure of the Emperor, inspired by the European monarchies, Japan starts to modernize militarily and expands towards several islands in the southeast

September 1715: King Louis XIV of France and Navarre dies aged 77, having reigned for 72 years he is the longest-serving monarch in history, he is succeeded by his son (name not yet defined)

April 1716: Archduke Leopold John of Austria, son of Holy Emperor Charles VI survives childhood, avoiding the War of the Austrian Succession

1720: Half-French, half-Illinois doctor Jacques Coderre introduces the Smallpox Vaccine and Germ Theory to the European medical community, which is quickly accepted.

July 1726: Clement XI dies at age 98, he was the longest-lived pope, in the 1726 Papal Conclave, Francesco Bazzani is elected Pope Paul VI

1727: Jacques Coderre influences the French government to organize a series of expeditions across New France to vaccinate native peoples. These expeditions massively improve the respect of the French in America, these expeditions called The Vaccine Expeditions begin in 1731 and end in 1750 shortly after the start of the Nine Years' War.

1732: Sweden makes a secret alliance with the Ottoman Empire, such an alliance will be important in the Nine Years' War (1748-1757)

1740-1741: The Great Irish Famine, famine kills 20% of the Irish population and starts a large migratory flow to Brazil

October 1740: Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor dies at age 55, he is succeeded by his son the now Holy Roman Emperor Leopold II of Habsburg

July 1745: Tsar Peter I of Russia dies at age 73, he is succeeded by his son Tsar Alexei II

1748: The Nine Years' War (1748-1757) begins
 
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Top candidates to be discussed in this topic:
Leopold I Wilhelm of Burgundy: Born Archduke Leopold Wilhelm of Austria in January 1614, son of Emperor Ferdinand II of the Holy Roman Empire and Maria Anna of Bavaria, after the end of the Twenty Years' War (ITTL Version of the Thirty Years' War) , the Netherlands were reincorporated into the empire in a unique situation, a junior branch of the Habsburgs was sent to rule the Council of Flanders formerly ruled by Spain as the Kingdom of Burgundy within the Holy Roman Empire, in an attempt to make Holland more loyal, having much more autonomy within the new kingdom and converting them back to Catholicism, he ascended the throne in 1638 at the age of 24, which would be the candidates to marry him?

Teodosio I of Brazil: Born Teodosio de Bragança in February 1634, son of João, 8th Duke of Bragança (Later acclaimed King João IV of Portugal) and Luísa de Gusmão, he ascended the throne in 1683 at the age of 49, during his life his father, João, 8 Duke of Bragança was acclaimed King João IV of Portugal during the War of Acclamation (1663-1683), during this period he received the title of prince of Beira, after his family fled to Brazil in 1681 he made peace with Spain and installed himself as king of the Kingdom of Brazil in May 1683, which would be the candidates to marry him?

Louis XIV of France: Born Louis Dieudonné de Bourbon in September 1638, son of King Louis XIII of France and Navarre and Princess Anne of Austria, ascended the throne in 1643 at the age of 5, due to the fact of the Thirty Years' War ends early, and the Franco-Spanish War never happens, Louis XIV never marries Princess Maria Theresa of Spain, who would be the candidates to marry him?

Carlos III of Spain: Born Charles Philip of Habsburg in January 1683, the son of Princess Maria Theresa of Spain and a Portuguese nobleman, ascended to the Spanish throne in 1700 at age 17, after the death of King Charles II, preventing a disastrous war of succession, he adopted the name of Carlos III of Spain, which would be the candidates to marry him?

Alexei II of Russia: Born Aleixei Petrovich Romanov in February 1690, son of Czar Pedro I of Russia and Eudoxia Lopukhina, he ascended the throne in 1745 at age 55, as the Dutch Republic does not exist in this world, Pedro I ends up being influenced by the Austria during the "Grand Embassy", thanks to Russia is an ally of Austria and that's why Alexei cannot marry a Protestant princess, who would be the candidates to marry him?

Leopold II of the Holy Roman Empire: Born Archduke Leopold John of Austria in April 1716, son of Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor and Princess Elisabeth Christine of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, ascended the throne in 1640 at the age of 24, who would be the candidates to marry him?

Charles III of the United Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland: Born Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Sylvester Severino Maria Stuart in December 1720, son of King James III and VIII of the United Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland and Maria Clementina Sobieska, he ascended the throne in 1665 at the age of 45, who would be the candidates to marry him?
 
Louis XIV of France: Born Louis Dieudonné de Bourbon in September 1638, son of King Louis XIII of France and Navarre and Princess Anne of Austria, ascended the throne in 1643 at the age of 5, due to the fact of the Thirty Years' War ends early, and the Franco-Spanish War never happens, Louis XIV never marries Princess Maria Theresa of Spain, who would be the candidates to marry him?
Perhaps Louis XIV could marry Henrietta of England instead of Philip of Orleans
Carlos III of Spain: Born Charles Philip of Habsburg in January 1683, the son of Princess Maria Theresa of Spain and a Portuguese nobleman, ascended to the Spanish throne in 1700 at age 17, after the death of King Charles II, preventing a disastrous war of succession, he adopted the name of Carlos III of Spain, which would be the candidates to marry him?
Perhaps a princess of the House of Savoy, Maria Adelaide of Savoy could be a good option.
Alexei II of Russia: Born Aleixei Petrovich Romanov in February 1690, son of Czar Pedro I of Russia and Eudoxia Lopukhina, he ascended the throne in 1745 at age 55, as the Dutch Republic does not exist in this world, Pedro I ends up being influenced by the Austria during the "Grand Embassy", thanks to Russia is an ally of Austria and that's why Alexei cannot marry a Protestant princess, who would be the candidates to marry him?
Perhaps an Austrian or Polish princess, to any available?
Charles III of the United Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland: Born Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Sylvester Severino Maria Stuart in December 1720, son of King James III and VIII of the United Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland and Maria Clementina Sobieska, he ascended the throne in 1665 at the age of 45, who would be the candidates to marry him?
He could marry one of Louis XIV's granddaughters or a Habsburg princess, Archduchess Maria Anne of Austria could be an option.
 
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Alexei II of Russia: Born Aleixei Petrovich Romanov in February 1690, son of Czar Pedro I of Russia and Eudoxia Lopukhina, he ascended the throne in 1745 at age 55, as the Dutch Republic does not exist in this world, Pedro I ends up being influenced by the Austria during the "Grand Embassy", thanks to Russia is an ally of Austria and that's why Alexei cannot marry a Protestant princess, who would be the candidates to marry him?
No way in Hell will Russia tolerate a Catholic czarina after all the shit with the Time of Troubles. Alexei will marry a Protestant Austrian proxy (like OTL) or Orthodox.

@Valena
 
No way in Hell will Russia tolerate a Catholic czarina after all the shit with the Time of Troubles. Alexei will marry a Protestant Austrian proxy (like OTL) or Orthodox.

@Valena
i came to realize this some time ago, Alexei would probably continue if Charlotte Christine from Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel even with the proximity to austria as she was the sister-in-law of Karl VI
 
No way in Hell will Russia tolerate a Catholic czarina after all the shit with the Time of Troubles. Alexei will marry a Protestant Austrian proxy (like OTL) or Orthodox.
This. A Catholic consort is a big no-no until 20th century. So Charlotte Christine is still the best offer on the market for him.
 
This. A Catholic consort is a big no-no until 20th century. So Charlotte Christine is still the best offer on the market for him.
While I agree that Charlotte is the best match for Alexei, I imagine that proximity to Austria would eventually improve Russian public opinion of a Catholic royal wedding, perhaps in the early 19th century.
What do you think of other monarchs' marriages?
 
Top candidates to be discussed in this topic:
Leopold I Wilhelm of Burgundy: Born Archduke Leopold Wilhelm of Austria in January 1614, son of Emperor Ferdinand II of the Holy Roman Empire and Maria Anna of Bavaria, after the end of the Twenty Years' War (ITTL Version of the Thirty Years' War) , the Netherlands were reincorporated into the empire in a unique situation, a junior branch of the Habsburgs was sent to rule the Council of Flanders formerly ruled by Spain as the Kingdom of Burgundy within the Holy Roman Empire, in an attempt to make Holland more loyal, having much more autonomy within the new kingdom and converting them back to Catholicism, he ascended the throne in 1638 at the age of 24, which would be the candidates to marry him?

Teodosio I of Brazil: Born Teodosio de Bragança in February 1634, son of João, 8th Duke of Bragança (Later acclaimed King João IV of Portugal) and Luísa de Gusmão, he ascended the throne in 1683 at the age of 49, during his life his father, João, 8 Duke of Bragança was acclaimed King João IV of Portugal during the War of Acclamation (1663-1683), during this period he received the title of prince of Beira, after his family fled to Brazil in 1681 he made peace with Spain and installed himself as king of the Kingdom of Brazil in May 1683, which would be the candidates to marry him?

Louis XIV of France: Born Louis Dieudonné de Bourbon in September 1638, son of King Louis XIII of France and Navarre and Princess Anne of Austria, ascended the throne in 1643 at the age of 5, due to the fact of the Thirty Years' War ends early, and the Franco-Spanish War never happens, Louis XIV never marries Princess Maria Theresa of Spain, who would be the candidates to marry him?

Carlos III of Spain: Born Charles Philip of Habsburg in January 1683, the son of Princess Maria Theresa of Spain and a Portuguese nobleman, ascended to the Spanish throne in 1700 at age 17, after the death of King Charles II, preventing a disastrous war of succession, he adopted the name of Carlos III of Spain, which would be the candidates to marry him?

Alexei II of Russia: Born Aleixei Petrovich Romanov in February 1690, son of Czar Pedro I of Russia and Eudoxia Lopukhina, he ascended the throne in 1745 at age 55, as the Dutch Republic does not exist in this world, Pedro I ends up being influenced by the Austria during the "Grand Embassy", thanks to Russia is an ally of Austria and that's why Alexei cannot marry a Protestant princess, who would be the candidates to marry him?

Leopold II of the Holy Roman Empire: Born Archduke Leopold John of Austria in April 1716, son of Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor and Princess Elisabeth Christine of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, ascended the throne in 1640 at the age of 24, who would be the candidates to marry him?

Charles III of the United Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland: Born Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Sylvester Severino Maria Stuart in December 1720, son of King James III and VIII of the United Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland and Maria Clementina Sobieska, he ascended the throne in 1665 at the age of 45, who would be the candidates to marry him?
How about Leopold I Wilhelm of Burgundy marry a Lorraine Princess? Princess Nicole or Claude?
 
Who would be the consort of Peter II of Russia?
Depends on policies to TTL Alexis II. A rich domestic heiress (Varvara Cherkasskaya was used for this in "Britain of Panthers and Lions") is not out of question (ITTL all the Alexis II kids (he had 3 TTL) married domestically, however he had a sister born in 1695 who married to Courland, and had a brood of 4 daughters who married everywhere from Prussia to Britain, and them being Lutherans provided all the bonuses of dynastic alliances with no need to bother with conversion of legit princesses).
 
Depends on policies to TTL Alexis II. A rich domestic heiress (Varvara Cherkasskaya was used for this in "Britain of Panthers and Lions") is not out of question (ITTL all the Alexis II kids (he had 3 TTL) married domestically, however he had a sister born in 1695 who married to Courland, and had a brood of 4 daughters who married everywhere from Prussia to Britain, and them being Lutherans provided all the bonuses of dynastic alliances with no need to bother with conversion of legit princesses).
Alexis II's big change from TTL is that his mother Eudoxia Lopukhina ends up dying in 1696 and Alexis is raised by his father and stepmother, although Alexis II's personality is quite different from his father (he being quite calm, autruistic and thinking before act) he still shares the expansionist ideas of Peter I, which leads him to ally himself with the Habsburgs in the Nine Years' War (1748-1757), I will describe this war:

The war would begin in 1748, when Russia invaded the Crimean Khanate in a move against the Ottoman Empire, which secretly made an alliance with Sweden, which promptly intervened in hopes of regaining Baltic dominance, the Habsburgs seeing a way to expanding their Hungarian domains also intervened while France and the UK, traditionally enemies, decided to cooperate in an attempt to finally fight the Habsburg rule, France would try to deal with the HRE while the UK would try to paralyze the Spanish Armada, 2 years after the At the beginning of the war, Poland-Lithuania would join the war against the Ottomans, and in 1752 Denmark-Norway broke its neutrality after one of its ships was sunk by a British privateer, shortly after Sweden was eliminated from the war and the situation escalated. became firm on the Russian-Habsburg side however, the French and British, desperate to end Habsburg rule, would continue to fight for 5 years alongside the Turks.

The outcome of the war would cement the rule of the Habsburgs, but it would also leave them slightly weakened and without the previously expected gains, Spain would gain the lower Mississippi from France, the Duchy of Savoy gained more land in the Provence region, the borders of the kingdom of Burgundy were further consolidated in the HRE, Austria would not succeed in conquering the sovereignty of Transylvania, but managed to get the Ottomans to give autonomy to a new principality of Belgrade to act as a buffer, the main winner of the war would be Russia, which occupied the most of the Crimean Khanate, except for a small strip of land granted to Poland

France and the United Kingdom were now bankrupt and their population unhappy, this would lead to an isolation of these powers from the rest of Europe, both would go through the respective reigns of Charles III the Good and Charles X, The Dawn King, both reformers who would launch several administrative reforms and would focus on their overseas colonies
 
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Alexis II's big change from TTL is that his mother Eudoxia Lopukhina ends up dying in 1696 and Alexis is raised by his father and stepmother, although Alexis II's personality is quite different from his father (he being quite calm, autruistic and thinking before act) he still shares the expansionist ideas of Peter I, which leads him to ally himself with the Habsburgs in the Nine Years' War (1748-1757), I will describe this war:
So same personality as in "Panthers and Lions" TL by @VVD0D95 (excellent read), though ITTL his formative mother figure after Eudoxia dying in childbed in 1693 is not his stepmom (Anna Mons ITTL, who Peter eventually divorced with adultery accusation) but his aunt, Peter's sister Natalia (who influenced a few quirks of future ruler such as passion for theatre).
 
So same personality as in "Panthers and Lions" TL by @VVD0D95 (excellent read), though ITTL his formative mother figure after Eudoxia dying in childbed in 1693 is not his stepmom (Anna Mons ITTL, who Peter eventually divorced with adultery accusation) but his aunt, Peter's sister Natalia (who influenced a few quirks of future ruler such as passion for theatre).
Good, I've never read this timeline before but it's good to have something to base it on, let's consider then that Alexis II continues to marry Charlotte and have the same two children he had in OTL (With the exception that Grand Duchess Natalya Alexeyevna of Russia survives long enough to get married and have children) and Peter II marries wealthy domestic heiress Varvara Cherkasskaya (Is she a real person or is she a made-up person in @VVD0D95's timeline?), what Peter's personality would look like II and how could they rule Russia during their reign?
A short list of the tsars of Russia:
Peter I the Great (1682-1745)
Alexis II (1745-1765)
Peter II (1765-1790)
Nameless Tsar (1790-???) any name suggestions?
 
So same personality as in "Panthers and Lions" TL by @VVD0D95 (excellent read), though ITTL his formative mother figure after Eudoxia dying in childbed in 1693 is not his stepmom (Anna Mons ITTL, who Peter eventually divorced with adultery accusation) but his aunt, Peter's sister Natalia (who influenced a few quirks of future ruler such as passion for theatre).
Changing the subject, who do you think Louis XIV and Charles III of Spain marry? I agree with @TheGybysonBoy that Louis XIV could marry Henrietta of England instead of Philip, however I'm not sure who Charles III marries, not a Habsburg preferably
 
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